Because in fact, the CIA had done its own study, pretty much came to this conclusion. RS: Yeah, but this is not information that they feel that they can trust the American people, or in fact the world’s population, to know.
And their conclusion was that this wasn’t a successful program, and that in the future, they would talk to law enforcement in other countries about successful interrogation methods. And the CIA in fact themselves, at the end, did an after action review, after six years of this. Jones reached, you know, as the lead investigator, is that everything that we learned from using these techniques, we already had from other sources, from other governments, and that this was not, you know, a successful program. And the conclusion of the report that Daniel J. And every one of them that I spoke to said that not only is this illegal, but it is ineffective. And I was also stunned by the fact that when I walked around in the world, there were people who were under the impression that these techniques work.Īnd so I began speaking to people in the FBI, people in military intelligence, people whose whole lives have been about interrogation. And I was aghast at what was done in our name. Eventually I came across the report that Daniel Jones wrote for the Senate Intelligence Committee, and I read the 500-page executive summary, like you did. And that sort of sparked my curiosity, and I started doing more research. And the notion that psychologists would think that they should use their understanding of the human mind to hurt people was very confronting to me. And my parents are both psychologists, so I grew up around people who, you know, who practice. And they sold this program to the CIA after 9/11, and said that they had the special sauce that would make people talk. And they had this idea that they could come up with a program that used, you know, what they called ”enhanced interrogation techniques”–what I think most people on the planet would call torture. And they were contractors they were guys out in the world, they’d retired from the Air Force. SB: Well, I think the way in for me was an article that I read in Vanity Fair about the two psychologists who are generally given credit as being the architects of the program. So I want to turn it over to you to tell me how at this point in your career, when you’ve done all sorts of more action-oriented, you took on what seemed like a difficult subject, you know, and brought it to life.
Bush administration, and then effectively covered up, in a sense, by the Barack Obama administration. It was zealously produced by one administration, the George W. And that makes it such an incredible scandal. But the fact is, they didn’t produce any actionable information. That’s why it’s banned internationally in other documents. And the devastating thing about this is that this torture–I don’t think you can justify torture, even if it produces valuable evidence. I read that carefully I’ve covered this issue. But there was a heavily redacted 500-page executive summary. But what I found was devastating was the clear assertion–and it’s clear in The Report, we’re talking about a 6,700-page report that most of us have never been able to read. And in your movie–I don’t want to put my own spin on it. And I just wonder whether there’s resistance to really examining the U.S. And mixed only in terms of how theatrical it is.įirst of all, I found it riveting. And I’m a little confused at some of the response to it. I’ve read everything I can about the torture program, I’ve written about it extensively I even have a book out on the surveillance society and so forth. And I’ve spent a lot of time on this issue. I came out of that theater, one of those Hollywood screening rooms, and I thought: this is one of the best movies dealing with national security, war and peace, that I think I’ve ever seen. And I, you know, worry about the size of Amazon and all of their connections and everything. And I thought, oh, this is going to give her too much credit, and also it’s a movie made for Amazon, what are they doing in the movie business, and so forth. I expected not to like it I’m not a big fan of Dianne Feinstein, I am a big fan of Annette Bening.
But I just want to say right at the outset, I went to see a prescreening of The Report. Scott Burns: Ah, the movie The Laundromat, which–it’s not a documentary, but it’s with Meryl Streep.
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